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goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take? >> political will in a word. what is interesting about the jobs numbers and the economy in general is that it's not so much the fundamentals of the economy. businesses who hire people who create jobs which nancy pelosi is looking for are looking for political will out of washington. they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt reduction, there will be debt reduction, that entitlements will be brought under control. looking for certainty on taxe taxes. until this happens, there isn't going to be that certainly. i h
goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take?...
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on this community. >> reporter: other possible fiscal cliff cuts that could hit rock island include the army corps of engineers, they're here in part to manage locks along the mississippi. there's cuts to public education, which the national school board association say could have profound impact if congress doesn't act. and potential cuts to social services. more than 12% of rock island's population lives below the poverty line. and of course, there are tax hikes. at theo's coffee shop, people have a lot to say about washington, d.c. and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything done. >> reporter: potential effects of the fiscal cliff in rock island, illinois are
on this community. >> reporter: other possible fiscal cliff cuts that could hit rock island include the army corps of engineers, they're here in part to manage locks along the mississippi. there's cuts to public education, which the national school board association say could have profound impact if congress doesn't act. and potential cuts to social services. more than 12% of rock island's population lives below the poverty line. and of course, there are tax hikes. at theo's coffee shop,...
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lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you have to be flexible, keep it in cash. how do you divide the 40% not in equities? >> first of all we took a step back and looked how investors allocated portfolio. there is generally 60/40 split between stocks and bonds but 60% predominantly in domestic ex-quits and 40% in high grade economic instruments. david: none is in the cash. >> cash, government relate the ed securities. if you look at 40%, that might have made sense 30 years ago when yields on treasurys were siinificantly higher and inflation was falling for a 30-year time period. if you look at it yields are paltry. what do you need to do? we talk about allocating exposure to higher yi
lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you have to be flexible, keep it in cash. how do you...
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and going over the fiscal cliff will impact millions of americans. >> there would be a lot of federal employees who would be furloughed or riffed and would lose their jobs. >> reporter: economists say the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax increases that will kick in january 1st if congress and the president don't reach an agreement could plunge the country back into recession. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >> the house is scheduled to formally adjourn by the end of the year on december 14th but house majority leader says they will stay in session until a cred credible solution is worked out. >>> it could be a big day in the battle o of same sex mainly. the -- marriage. the justices are being asked to overturn a lower court ruling that the prop 8 ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional. they may decide to hear the case or they could let the ruling by the lower court stand which could pave the way for gay marriages to resume in california. >>> a man is in serious condition after falling 30 feet at the oakland coliseum. it happened last night during the raider b
and going over the fiscal cliff will impact millions of americans. >> there would be a lot of federal employees who would be furloughed or riffed and would lose their jobs. >> reporter: economists say the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax increases that will kick in january 1st if congress and the president don't reach an agreement could plunge the country back into recession. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >> the house is scheduled to formally adjourn...
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barely a full day this week. >> the fiscal cliff is the term that is given to a set of spending cuts and tax increases that will take effect in january if congress does not act to stop them. >>> investigators are trying to determine what happened before a football fan fell or jumped from the third deck at the oakland coliseum. he fell to the concourse during last night's broncos, raiders game and taken to the hospital with serious injuries. they called it an accident and it remains under investigation. >> the rails are like three to 4 feet. if you don't pay attention, you can fall. he fell yesterday. >> the raiders did issue a statement. the team had no information beyond what authorities are releasing. their thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends. >>> coming up in a few minutes, roger good dell will say where the raiders shall play in the future and who would pay to build a new stadium. >>> this couple accused of killing this woman are going to court. the couple is accused of killing a retired schoolteacher who was found stabbed to death back in october. the washington
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the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road where they have more leverage. president obama was asked about that earlier this week and said he doesn't want to play the debt ceiling game anymore. that's where republicans have more leverage than then do on other matters. >> all right. senior political editor mark murray, have a great weekend, sir. >> i want to bring in congressman peter welch from vermont. good to see you again. talked to you last weekend on msnbc. at that point you told me that you thought there was a 50/50 shot we'd go off the so-called fiscal cliff. today speaker boehner said talks we
the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling, are they connected? >> the white house wants them to be connected. they actually think if neck get a deal decoupling the bush tax cuts, having entitlement reform in dealing with the debt ceiling that is getting a raise and not having to worry about it for another couple of years, that's what they want. house republicans have indicated that, look, they actually might want it to kick the can down the road, make a deal on taxes but kick it down the road...
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a large piece of the fiscal cliff is $94 billion in automatic government spending cuts over the next year. part of a trillion dollars in federal cuts over the next decade though even with these cuts the federal government is still projected to spend more each year over the next decade. to put this in perspective, one former cbo director says the costs of hurricane sandy could easily wipe out most of next year's savings. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion and nothing else changes you barely dented the deficit. the other programs are growing. we'll not see spending decline. in fact we'll likely have a emergency spending bill for sandy that is 60 billion. 94 is gone right there. >> even with a trillion dollars in cuts federal spending is on the way up every year starting with 3.5 trillion this fiscal year. nearly 3.6 trillion in 2014. 4 trillion by 2016 and 5 trillion by 2021. the cbo says even allowing 5 trillion in tax increases to hit the economy the next decade the federal government still spends $2.3 trillion more than it takes in. back to you. me
a large piece of the fiscal cliff is $94 billion in automatic government spending cuts over the next year. part of a trillion dollars in federal cuts over the next decade though even with these cuts the federal government is still projected to spend more each year over the next decade. to put this in perspective, one former cbo director says the costs of hurricane sandy could easily wipe out most of next year's savings. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion...
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now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. [laughter] let me start off just by, what we will do chris, we will do the house rules and cut in half. in 30 seconds and then we will have time to elaborate on all of this. i just want to go through the panel. what do you think the odds are that some kind of appeal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it's 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is though, is this going to be a big enough deal and will it actually be the down payment that will lead to something else? it will actually avoid the consequences. that percentage would be lower than the 80%. >> let's come back to the big picture. just in the short-term by january 1, will we avoid the cliff? >> i think it's likely that we will avoid it. it's so easy for us just to do what we need to do. i think the real line in the sand is -- and i have said that for a long time. i think that is one hopefully by that time we will have real entitlement reform which will b
now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. [laughter] let me start off just by, what we will do chris, we will do the house rules and cut in half. in 30 seconds and then we will have time to elaborate on all of this. i just want to go through the panel. what do you think the odds are that some kind of appeal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it's 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is though, is this going to be a...
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look, you are talking about the fiscal cliff, 25 days away until these tax hikes and federal spending cuts go into effect. you are looking at wall street. it is not making any big moves because of the uncertainty of what is going to happen with this. how long are politicians going to continue dragging their feet. and it is not just wall street. you know, it is beginning to eat into consumer confidence. we just got this index, university of michigan consumer confidence index. just a short time ago, this morning. it showed that consumer confidence plunged and in the first week of its month because americans don't know what to expect taxwise. that's a bad sign for retailers at the most important time of the year. the holidays. because guess what, if consumers aren't feeling confident, they are no going to spend. that domino effect that hit retailers, many of these retailers depend on the holiday sales to push them into a profit important the year. this is what's weighing out there in -- you know, for consumers, yes. fiscal cliff definitely weighing on things. despite the fact that the jo
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but the fiscal cliff, i think, is very overrated as a danger. heather: does it concern you that this seems to be the new norm when we look at the numbers and say, hey, this is better? >> it's very discouraging. we're stuck at a stable but depressing plateau. meth -- heather: ben stein, thank you s much. we will be right back. we understan at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. jon: christmas is coming and prison
but the fiscal cliff, i think, is very overrated as a danger. heather: does it concern you that this seems to be the new norm when we look at the numbers and say, hey, this is better? >> it's very discouraging. we're stuck at a stable but depressing plateau. meth -- heather: ben stein, thank you s much. we will be right back. we understan at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and...
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if we end up going over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year or not, the federal government will still be spending trillions. dennis: rich edson is in washington, d.c. rich: part of it is an spending cuts over the next decade. even with those cuts in place. they forecast federal spending to increase each year over the next decade. as for plans to contain spending, the white house has various cuts and fee increases on the table. house republicans are offering 4.1 million lower cuts and increases. even if these cuts failed to control the greatest deficit challenge, the spending on federal health care programs like medicare. >> the path has been clear for a decade now. every director comes to the same conclusion. you cannot roll your way out of it. you must change these programs. >> president obama is pushing billions in new spending to spur the economy. back to you. cheryl: rich, thank you very much. dennis: merry christmas and happy hanukkah. six major banks announcing they will halt -- wells fargo, bank of america, citigroup, they say they will suspend foreclosure activity until the ne
if we end up going over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year or not, the federal government will still be spending trillions. dennis: rich edson is in washington, d.c. rich: part of it is an spending cuts over the next decade. even with those cuts in place. they forecast federal spending to increase each year over the next decade. as for plans to contain spending, the white house has various cuts and fee increases on the table. house republicans are offering 4.1 million lower cuts and...
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. >>> we have the latest on the fiscal cliff, just 25 days before everyone's taxes go up and every government program is cut. there were some baby steps yesterday. both sides got together for the first staff-level talks in a week. and jon karl is covering the countdown from capitol hill. jon, they're trying to keep a close hold on these talks. but you learned that the meeting did not go all that well. >> reporter: that's right, george. first, it was a significant step forward that they actually met. i mean, astounding. this was a week without talks. but yesterday, you did have top aides to the president, top aides to the speaker of the house, come together. but i am told by people familiar with the meeting, that it ended with the two sides just as far apart as they were before the meeting. the white house said there will be absolutely no deal until republicans agree to raise rates and give an indefinite right to borrow money. lifting the debt ceiling. republicans said no way on both counts, unless they get bigger concessions than what the white house has offered on spending. so it seems still
. >>> we have the latest on the fiscal cliff, just 25 days before everyone's taxes go up and every government program is cut. there were some baby steps yesterday. both sides got together for the first staff-level talks in a week. and jon karl is covering the countdown from capitol hill. jon, they're trying to keep a close hold on these talks. but you learned that the meeting did not go all that well. >> reporter: that's right, george. first, it was a significant step forward...
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. >> his demand involve spending increasing, no decreases, at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cutting, albeit disproportionately to defense spending but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage? no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage, with his krin call refuse ool to enter the entitlement reform game. >> wow he is really bad. >> stephanie: yeah i can see why he didn't get the radio show. >> sheky. >> stephanie: that was so merrill osmond. >> merrill was kind of the leader. >> stephanie: i dove donnie. steve doocy. >> europe is great because they have wonderful food and runny cheeses, but we shouldn't base our policies on theirs because they are stinkers. >> we should base it on singapore where they have no unemployment, and they have a competitive market. that protects workers. >> stephanie: we should be like singapore? >> oh, my god. holy crap. he is a bigger idiot than i thought. h
. >> his demand involve spending increasing, no decreases, at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cutting, albeit disproportionately to defense spending but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage? no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage, with his krin call refuse ool to enter the...
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cliff situation but both sides appear to be very far apart still. >> it should be no substitute for our passing a middle income tax cut now. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> they will lose completely by the end of the year their benefits. this is the real cliff. martha: all right. we're joined now by chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday". chris, good morning. good to see you. a lot of hubbub today about the fact that john boehner and the president are going to sit down one-on-one. there is a lot of optimism i heard from many circles this morning that this means something is going to happen, that something will get done. should we believe that? >> well i wouldn't be that optimistic. i have a memory at least as long as august of 2011 when the two them sat down together and were negotiating the debt debacle. that didn't go so well. martha: no, it did in the. >> it completely fell apart. it is good they're talking rather than not talking but certainly
cliff situation but both sides appear to be very far apart still. >> it should be no substitute for our passing a middle income tax cut now. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> they will lose completely by the end of the year their benefits. this is the real cliff. martha: all right. we're joined now by chris wallace, anchor of "fox news...
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that is the model for this fiscal cliff discussion, is making both the cuts and reforms that are real and credible and politically difficult to reverse, because that is the only signal we can send, the right signal to send, to investors that we are getting our financial house in order. chairman, thank you again. this is your last committee meeting, and you will be missed. thank you. >> thank you, advice chairman brady, soon to be chairman. representative maloney, you had something? >> yes. going back to the analogy of the avalanche, when we had the subprime crisis, there was no warning. one day the avalanche came, a total lot of confidence and a total really fall in the market. and like wides we could have the same type of avalanche come tomorrow. there is no more confidence, no one buys our debt, they want to sell it, we would have sbked interest rates and huge problems. we have two things in front of us, not only the fiscal slump, but also the debt ceiling that treasury estimates. we have until february on the debt ceiling. they are very close together. in solving it, would it be be
that is the model for this fiscal cliff discussion, is making both the cuts and reforms that are real and credible and politically difficult to reverse, because that is the only signal we can send, the right signal to send, to investors that we are getting our financial house in order. chairman, thank you again. this is your last committee meeting, and you will be missed. thank you. >> thank you, advice chairman brady, soon to be chairman. representative maloney, you had something?...
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cliff. financial experts were on capitol hill yesterday to talk about the negative impact if those automatic tax increases and spending cuts tick in january 1st. meanwhile president obama paid a visit to a northern virginia family who would suffer financially if a deal isn't reached. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the cost involved in very personal terms. >> still the white house says the across the board spending cuts and tax hikes will takes effect if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. meanwhile a new survey shows the president's approval rating is at the highest point since the raid that killed osama bin laden. in addition, 42% believe the nation is heading in the right direction. >>> 6:10, a tycoon wanted for murder, how john mcafee ended up in the hospital. >>> a van plows into a jewelry store, narrowly missing the customer, what the driver says cause
cliff. financial experts were on capitol hill yesterday to talk about the negative impact if those automatic tax increases and spending cuts tick in january 1st. meanwhile president obama paid a visit to a northern virginia family who would suffer financially if a deal isn't reached. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the cost involved in very personal terms. >> still the white...
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. >>> to reach an agreement on a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. financial experts were on capitol hill yesterday to talk about the negative impacts if the automatic tax increases and spending cuts happen on january 1st. president obama visited a northern virginia family who would suffer finally if a -- financially if a deal isn't reached. the president's approval rating is at its highest point since the raid that killdee killed osama bin laden. 42% believe the nation is heading in the right direction. >>> the san diego zoo two new additions. they're 14 week old clouded leopard cubs and their adorable. they are brothers and playful. they like to pounce on each other and climb and use each other as trampolines. they arrived earlier from the nashville view where there's a successful breeding program saying hello for the endangering expertise. they are adorable but grow into big guys. >> you want to take them home until they get really big. >> and send them back to the zoo. >> it's 5:20 hoping to stop the slide. did the raiders beat the broncos in oak
. >>> to reach an agreement on a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. financial experts were on capitol hill yesterday to talk about the negative impacts if the automatic tax increases and spending cuts happen on january 1st. president obama visited a northern virginia family who would suffer finally if a -- financially if a deal isn't reached. the president's approval rating is at its highest point since the raid that killdee killed osama bin laden. 42% believe the nation is heading in the...
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. >>> they are looking for a plan to a void the fiscal cliff. congressmen were on capitol hill talking about a negative impact in the spending cuts kick in january 1st. president obama failed a visit to a northern virginia family -- had a visit to a northern virginia family that that would affect if that happened. >> gives you a sense o of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> still the white house says those across the board spending cuts and tax hikes will take effect if republicans fuse to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans. >>> one of the tea party movements favorite lawmakers is is leaving the senate. south carolina republican jim demint announced yesterday that he's cutting his term short to join the heritage foundation. he said he would not run for a third term in 2016. >>> we're going to get the november jobs report from the labor department. they expect the unemployment rate to hold steady at 7.9% but they think job creation was down substantially from october because of superstorm sandy. >>> apple fans, did you know all yo
. >>> they are looking for a plan to a void the fiscal cliff. congressmen were on capitol hill talking about a negative impact in the spending cuts kick in january 1st. president obama failed a visit to a northern virginia family -- had a visit to a northern virginia family that that would affect if that happened. >> gives you a sense o of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> still the white house says those across the board spending cuts and tax hikes will take...
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in this country president obama says cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could to be done in a week but the president said that won't happen unless republicans drop their opposition to hire taxes for the wealthy. president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> congress and the president have until the end the year to avert automatic spending cuts and tax increase. take a quick break. when we come back on the morning news a preview of this morning's jobs report. what role did sandy play in last month's hiring. this is the morning news. port. what role did sandy play in hiring? ♪ [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the u.s. postal service the holidays are easy. visit usps.com. pay, print, and have it picked up for free before december 20h for delivery in time for the holidays. you can even give us special instructions on wher
in this country president obama says cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could to be done in a week but the president said that won't happen unless republicans drop their opposition to hire taxes for the wealthy. president obama visited a virginia family to move his cause. he maintained his hard line on tax increase. >> just to be clear i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rates from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can...
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a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. there has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like connecticut and california. the republicans may still blow it. if president obama is flexible and they don't meet him part way, republicans would contribute to a recession that would discredit them for a decade. but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first steps, and encouraging ones. >> really encouraging. and it's not just what they're saying. it's how they're saying it. eric cantor came on. we've all, i think at times, even i as a conservative, who would vote probably along with eric cantor 99% of the time. saw him at times over the past couple years being a bit more obstructionist than i think was good for the party. i thought i loved his tone the other day. what did he focus on? he focused on jobs, on proving that conservatism actually helped all americans, not 53%, not 47%. and yesterday w
a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. there has been an epidemic of open-mindedness as republicans try to win minority votes and create a version of their party that can be competitive in states like connecticut and california. the republicans may still blow it. if president obama is flexible and they don't meet him part way, republicans would contribute to a recession that would discredit them for a decade. but they are moving in the right direction and moving fast. these are first steps, and...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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it's one of the reasons why the fiscal cliff could be as bad for the economy. if state and local governments are continue to cut back or not spend, still hoarding catchsh and consumers aren't spending ex is for a new iphone the one positive input to the gdp right now, maybe not in six months but right now, the one positive input is the fed recall government. if the federal government through the fiscal cliff is going to withdraw $600,000,000,000, which is what the live would do, it will throw us back into a recession. >> that's just what we don't need now. >> bill: i was going to ask you and i think you are getting to it already is what now does president -- two things: what does president obama say he will have an opportunity somewhere today, what does he say about these numbers? two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, y
it's one of the reasons why the fiscal cliff could be as bad for the economy. if state and local governments are continue to cut back or not spend, still hoarding catchsh and consumers aren't spending ex is for a new iphone the one positive input to the gdp right now, maybe not in six months but right now, the one positive input is the fed recall government. if the federal government through the fiscal cliff is going to withdraw $600,000,000,000, which is what the live would do, it will throw...
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the president shared his views with a virginia family when it comes to the fiscal cliff and tax cuts that could happen. delia goncalves is live on capitol hill with more on that this morning. good morning, delia. >> reporter: good morning. mike, andrea, it appears we were here live on capitol hill just two weeks ago talking about a compromise. remember that? well, now we're back and it seems that those talks that had so much promise, well, they seem they've come to a screeching halt. now congress people are pointing the finger among increasing pressure to strike a deal before the january 1 deadline. they're now blaming each other for stalling talks that could send us off a fiscal cliff. in a surprise visit to a falls church family, the president emphasized he will refuse to sign a bill that does not raise taxes on the wealthy but republicans say that's a deal breaker. his stance they say proves the president is not interested in striking a balanced deal, simp in spending more and raising the debt ceiling. but the president says his main concern is certainly the middle- class families
the president shared his views with a virginia family when it comes to the fiscal cliff and tax cuts that could happen. delia goncalves is live on capitol hill with more on that this morning. good morning, delia. >> reporter: good morning. mike, andrea, it appears we were here live on capitol hill just two weeks ago talking about a compromise. remember that? well, now we're back and it seems that those talks that had so much promise, well, they seem they've come to a screeching halt. now...
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cliff -- the real fiscal cliff is national bankruptcy, and its imminent if we don't cut spending and entitlements . obama is a bully, inflection i believe, making demands we can't accept because his demands involve spending increases, no spending reductions, tax increases on two percent of people who won't do anything with revenues. it's totally unacceptable. at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting obama's terms crammed down our throat. boehner needs to get a told of this pr machine and paint obama as the one who is holding the country hostage. he wants to talk about holding the middle class hostage. no, it's him holding the entire country hostage and our kids hostage to his reckless spending and cynical refusal to enter the entitlement reform game. >> i don't even want to hear more about taxes. juan, shaking your head. >> i hear you, gentlemen. you guys are wonderful. merry christmas. but sean you said hyperpartisanship, and david talks about inflexibility. you know, and i'm thinking to
cliff -- the real fiscal cliff is national bankruptcy, and its imminent if we don't cut spending and entitlements . obama is a bully, inflection i believe, making demands we can't accept because his demands involve spending increases, no spending reductions, tax increases on two percent of people who won't do anything with revenues. it's totally unacceptable. at least under the fiscal cliff we have some mandatory cut, albeit us proportionately to defense spending. but it's better than accepting...
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veterans if no agreement is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. this is 30 minutes. >> thank you, tommy. first, let me thank secretary panetta for his unwaiverring support, both for those of us in va, and the men and women who wear and have worn the uniforms of the nation. our close partnership, this meeting that we have today, on their behalf, has never been more important than it is today. entering the holiday season, i thank the men and women who spend these holidays away from their families, defending our nation, we're all very grateful for their service and sacrifice. as leon and iñhr discussed very little of what we do here in va originates here. most of what we work on originates in dod, and that's why achieving our priorities at va requires this close and collaborative working relationship. we have more work to do, but with president obama's strong support and guy dance, we brought the two departments closer together than ever before. we've underwritten joint va-dod medical facilities where they make sense, harmonizing our acquisition dec
veterans if no agreement is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. this is 30 minutes. >> thank you, tommy. first, let me thank secretary panetta for his unwaiverring support, both for those of us in va, and the men and women who wear and have worn the uniforms of the nation. our close partnership, this meeting that we have today, on their behalf, has never been more important than it is today. entering the holiday season, i thank the men and women who spend these holidays away from their...
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cliff." the deadline for the president and congress to find a way to avoid tax increases and spending cuts is 25 days away. president obama made a special point to sit with a middle class family in virginia this afternoon. he was trying to offer an example of who would be hurt by the republican tax proposal. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives the sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> republicans are standing behind their counter-offer to chose tax loopholes and limit some deductions. they say the president needs to deliver a new plan that they can agree on and soon. it's also important to note that congress is scheduled to adjourn december 21st and the president is supposed to be headed to hawaii for vacation on december 17. >>> after doing some downsizing starbucks is back to brewing up some expansion plans and that includes another san francisco store. at market and sanchez. cbs 5 rep
cliff." the deadline for the president and congress to find a way to avoid tax increases and spending cuts is 25 days away. president obama made a special point to sit with a middle class family in virginia this afternoon. he was trying to offer an example of who would be hurt by the republican tax proposal. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives the sense of the costs involved in very personal...
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veterans if no agreement is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. this is 30 minutes. >> thank you, tommy, and, first, let me thank secretary panetta for the up waiverring support to us here at va, but the men and whim who wear and have worn the uniforms of our nation. our close partnership, this meeting that we had today on their plaf has never been more important than it is today. entering the holiday season, i thank the men and women who spend holidays away from our families deafing the nation, we're all great. for the service and sacrifice. as we discussed little of what we do and what originates here, what we work on originates in dod, and that's why achieving our priorities at va requires this close and collaborative working relationship. we have more work to do, but with president obama's strong support and guidance, we applaud the two departments closer together than ever before. we underwritten joint va dod medical facilities where they make sense, harmonizing acquisition decisions, committed both departments to a single common, joint, inte
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cliff." top economists showed up at the capital today for further talks about the impact of tax increases and government spending cuts on the middle class. from a home in virginia president obama sat with a middle class family he says will be hit hard if congress doesn't extend middle class tax cuts. >> for them to be burden unthis isly because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> republicans are standing behind their counter-offer to close tax loopholes and limit some deductions. they say the president needs to deliver a new plan they can agree on before the january 1 deadline. >>> stocks inched up as investors kept and eye on washington. the dow was up around 40, nasdaq up 16, s&p saw a 5 point increase. >>> the dungeness crab season has hit a snag. local crabbers are refusing to fish for the northern california delicacy after a new price fight with the wholesalers. the cbs 5 reporter anne m
cliff." top economists showed up at the capital today for further talks about the impact of tax increases and government spending cuts on the middle class. from a home in virginia president obama sat with a middle class family he says will be hit hard if congress doesn't extend middle class tax cuts. >> for them to be burden unthis isly because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms....
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. >> negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff are stalled and the white house budget office ordthered pentagon to prepy -- ordered the pentagon to start preparing for spending cuts. >>> the san francisco based california institute for medicine has distributed a billion dollars in bond money for stem cell research. the review found too many members of the board are from schools that won funding. they recommended a restructuring to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. >>> apple and samsung went head to head again over some of its most prized patents. ktvu's ann rubin is live. >> reporter: the judge said she would prefer if both sides went back to the negotiating table but will rule if she has to. neither side is happy. samsung is fighting a judgment against them, apple says they should pay that and more. it stems from a trial over whether they copied apple technology. the jury sided with apple but the company believes it didn't go far enough and it should require some projects be taken off the market. samsung doesn't like the judgment either. they argue it should be revised that the jur
. >> negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff are stalled and the white house budget office ordthered pentagon to prepy -- ordered the pentagon to start preparing for spending cuts. >>> the san francisco based california institute for medicine has distributed a billion dollars in bond money for stem cell research. the review found too many members of the board are from schools that won funding. they recommended a restructuring to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest....
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that does not appear likely right now, especially with budget cuts coming in the battle over the fiscal cliff but the agency has an unlimited line of credit with the treasury department. today, the housing secretary could not rule out tapping it but he said those hire fha loan fees and other changes could head it off. >> based on all of that, do you expect a taxpayer bailout as we sit here today? if so, when? >> based on those stats, i believe we have significantly decreased the chance of having a bailout at the end of 2013 or having to draw on the treasury. i'm not going to assign a possibility at this -- probabilt this point. >> thinks the fha could end up tapping the treasury short-term for several billion dollars next year. shepard. >> shepard: when next year, pete, do we know. >> the devil rays session it will signal intentions on possible treasury funding for the fha when it releases budget for 2014 in february and will actually make a final decision on all of this next september. shepard? >> shepard: peter barnes on capitol hill, thanks. the man investigators unleashing terror in
that does not appear likely right now, especially with budget cuts coming in the battle over the fiscal cliff but the agency has an unlimited line of credit with the treasury department. today, the housing secretary could not rule out tapping it but he said those hire fha loan fees and other changes could head it off. >> based on all of that, do you expect a taxpayer bailout as we sit here today? if so, when? >> based on those stats, i believe we have significantly decreased the...
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but the fact is you get nothing if you don't do the fiscal cliff. >> well, among my many limitation is the inability to read other people's minds. i don't know what spaker boehner's thinking, but i know what he tells us in conference and private. lou: you can speak freely here. >> well, spiker boehner believes and convinced me he's negotiating with himself. he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire career in the house so he's got his principles, and, on the other hand, we saw in november, bewere not successful coming to electioneering. we're going to be blamed. he wants to create the appearance of a willingness to sit down in talk in a broad way in entitlement reform, bending the spinning art, but the president won't engage it. it's give me my increase on the dreaded rich people, and and unlimited credit card with respect to the debt ceiling. can you imagine anything more absurd than us giving eman unlimited ability to raise the debt ceiling? he's got the unmitigated ability to ask for that. lou: congressman, i have the
but the fact is you get nothing if you don't do the fiscal cliff. >> well, among my many limitation is the inability to read other people's minds. i don't know what spaker boehner's thinking, but i know what he tells us in conference and private. lou: you can speak freely here. >> well, spiker boehner believes and convinced me he's negotiating with himself. he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire career in the house...
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cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best spokesman for conservatism. >> no, no. >> we should put a paul ryan -- we need younger leadership. >> paul ryan came out publicly in support of boehner. that's point number one. secondly, boehner jumped ryan over more senior people to put him as head of the budget committee. that's my second point. and boehner himself is being advised by ryan every step of the way. >> what do you say about this purge then? he's purging people that wants to balance the budget. >> you lost, ron. don't blame boehner. blame the republican party. blame conservatives. jim demint sa
cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best...
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that have come to be known as the fiscal cliff and today republicans stood by their offer to close some tax loopholes and limit deductions and called on the for the give them a new plan that the congress could. president obama spent his day with the santana family of falls church and he says they're members of the middle class and they'll be hit hard if congress fails to extend their tax cuts. meantime virginia could be hit hard if those spending cuts end up taking place especially in places like fairfax county where federal contracting is king. >> if you go make the kind of cuts that some are suggesting happen, then you're really hurting a lot of the small buss
that have come to be known as the fiscal cliff and today republicans stood by their offer to close some tax loopholes and limit deductions and called on the for the give them a new plan that the congress could. president obama spent his day with the santana family of falls church and he says they're members of the middle class and they'll be hit hard if congress fails to extend their tax cuts. meantime virginia could be hit hard if those spending cuts end up taking place especially in places...
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on the fiscal cliff. judge andrew napolitano. fox news senior judicial analyst. juan williams, columnist with tannehill. byron york from the "washington examiner." judge, what do you make of this? we had back and forth and we talk about this every day. every day there are developments. >> the president insistence on raising tax rate is reprehensible and violates economics 101. raising tax rates will not necessarily produce more revenue. the president is more interested to punish the rich and perceived reward for base. doesn't put more money in the federal treasury. the republicans give in to this in spirit of compromise, i respect alan simpson. but this is a time for the republicans to say no to spending no, borrowing. no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president
on the fiscal cliff. judge andrew napolitano. fox news senior judicial analyst. juan williams, columnist with tannehill. byron york from the "washington examiner." judge, what do you make of this? we had back and forth and we talk about this every day. every day there are developments. >> the president insistence on raising tax rate is reprehensible and violates economics 101. raising tax rates will not necessarily produce more revenue. the president is more interested to punish...
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we're going over the fiscal cliffs. >> senator susan collins are facing budget cuts they would like to pay for the storm cleanup. the uncertain fate of the relief money comes little more than a month after the jaw dropping pre-rel pre-election image of president obama and governor christie shoulder to shoulder, a time when he promised to help victims quickly. >> i want you to cut through red tape. i want you to cut through bureaucracy. there's no excuse for inaction at this point. >> the white house said the president remains committed. >> there's no question what the president saw on staten island that enormous suffering continues. that's why we're looking at states and localities to continue the effort to assist in the recovery. >> reporter: a top congressional aide tells cnn lawmakers are waiting to see the administration proposal, and an administration official tells cnn the white house is still crunching its numbers. as for chris christie, who is up for re-election in new jersey next year, the top aide to the governor had no comment. just to get to a staggering sum of money we're
we're going over the fiscal cliffs. >> senator susan collins are facing budget cuts they would like to pay for the storm cleanup. the uncertain fate of the relief money comes little more than a month after the jaw dropping pre-rel pre-election image of president obama and governor christie shoulder to shoulder, a time when he promised to help victims quickly. >> i want you to cut through red tape. i want you to cut through bureaucracy. there's no excuse for inaction at this point....
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cliff? >> officials hearsay there is still time to reach an agreement. they say there has been progress. republicans are now a incrows tn though they still don't want to raise tax rates. the folks here shrug off the fact there hasn't been a meeting of the president in a couple of weeks. and they suggest there won't need to be a meeting until republicans are ready to give in. >> it is our view that simply having conversations c congressional leaders will not produce a deal. what will produce a deal is an acknowledgment by republicans, republican leaders that rates on the top two percent, the wealthiest americans have to rise. there is no deal without that acknowledgment. >> the treasury secretary gite neither says the -- tab eitner says they are ready to go over the cliff. if republicans won't let the tax cuts expire, they say it is not a threat. shepherd? >> it is easy to say why they would be making those statements when there was a recent survey that showed 53% of people said if we do go o
cliff? >> officials hearsay there is still time to reach an agreement. they say there has been progress. republicans are now a incrows tn though they still don't want to raise tax rates. the folks here shrug off the fact there hasn't been a meeting of the president in a couple of weeks. and they suggest there won't need to be a meeting until republicans are ready to give in. >> it is our view that simply having conversations c congressional leaders will not produce a deal. what will...
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why give in on taxes and the fiscal cliff fight when you will have all the leverage. megyn: simon? >> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they pull what mark is saying, you are going to see the republican party's numbers in the 20s. they have no leverage on this thing. >> not going to happen. megyn: we'll leave it at that. thank you both. just ahead. a much more somber note. new warning about the sarin gas threat in syria. city drivers claim a class action that the traffic cameras are actually rigged. soot whole world is watching and the president of the united states made clear there will be consequences if the assad regime makes a terrible mistake by using these chemical weapons on their own people. megyn: that was leon panetta with a warning that the united states and our allies will not tolerate a chemical attack by syria. we got reports that they were mixing the chemical weapons earlier this week. focusing new attention on saddam huss
why give in on taxes and the fiscal cliff fight when you will have all the leverage. megyn: simon? >> in the rasmussen poll that came out today the republicans lost 10 points since the election in the congressional generic fight. they are losing this economic argument right now. if they pull what mark is saying, you are going to see the republican party's numbers in the 20s. they have no leverage on this thing. >> not going to happen. megyn: we'll leave it at that. thank you both....
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a economy goes over the fiscal cliff. economists surveyed said one and a half million americans could lose their jobs if lawmakers fail to come to an agreement and the automatic spending cut impact increases. forces are keeping an eye on some debts for a budget bill. the nasdaq gained due to a rebound by apple. the number was triggered by reports that it would lose shares to its rival google. apple is trying to regain market share from samsung. the to tech companies are back in court today to get it out over a $1 billion patent fight. meantime nationwide insurance is warning customers that its computers networked had been attacked. customers' names birth dates social skirted numbers and driver's license numbers were likely stolen. nationwide is apologizing and are offering customers an identity that protection for one year. start planning did vacations, walt disney new fantasyland is officially open. this is after what may be the biggest expansion in the orlando parts 41 year history. the estimated $300 million magic king
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the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of fracturing that we're doing, the fact that housing has been doing tremendously well, and interest rates remain very low with prices, so there's some sense that there's a bit of a renaissance on the horizon, and if the government doesn't mess that up too much, 2013 could end up being as good as 2012 if not a little better. i don't know if you completely disagree with that, peter, but i think there's enough good going on that it could offset the bad. >> to you think it could go up to 10% unemployment. do you agree with peter on that? >> i don't know. i don't know if it will go go up
the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of...
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the clock particulars towards that fiscal cliff deadline on january 11. mike emanuel is live. we are still getting hard lines from either side about where they stand on this. what is really happening behind the closed doors? are they closer to a dole? >> reporter: jenna you're right about a lot of tough talk in public, but behind closed doors we know the president, the speaker of the house john boehner had a phone call late yesterday, the first call they had in a week. there has not been much in the way of leaks as to what was discussed. most folks on capitol hill may suggest that no leaks means they are getting down to serious movement on finding a compromise to avert the fiscal cliff. because in public the treasury secretary was asked yesterday if the administration is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. check this out. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. we see no prospects for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist. remember it's only 2%. >> reporter: most peopl
the clock particulars towards that fiscal cliff deadline on january 11. mike emanuel is live. we are still getting hard lines from either side about where they stand on this. what is really happening behind the closed doors? are they closer to a dole? >> reporter: jenna you're right about a lot of tough talk in public, but behind closed doors we know the president, the speaker of the house john boehner had a phone call late yesterday, the first call they had in a week. there has not been...